I know for many that this is an issue that bores... and that many think, as David Horowitz writes in the piece I'm posting below, that it's sore loserism... But no matter how hard I look at the issue I can't get away from the fact that Obama is fighting it. If it's not big deal, produce the birth certificate.
Settle the issue once and for all. WHY is he going to court over it? Why would he give conservatives an issue like this one? Why are so many people looking into it and coming up with more questions rather than answers?
Here's what I posted on the Read My Lipstick Network with more of my thoughts added. I don't like to go into too much of my personal thoughts on the RMLN blog as it's more for general news than MY opinions (although I do get carried away sometimes I know ;-).
Rec'd the following from "The Intellectual Redneck" as a comment on a previous RMLN blog. We can't publish things on here in their entirety from other blogs or publications, can only publish links and a few lines (professional courtesy, and it's illegal, too ;-). Thus, I'm including a link to The Intellectual Redneck (cause it's a good blog even though they're not a member of our Network) here: http://bloggingredneck.blogspot.com/, and then I'm liking to the comment and the original story.
The following, which is excellent as The Intellectual Redneck pointed out, is posted on the History News Network as a comment on "David Horowitz: Obama Derangement Syndrome ... Conservatives Need to Shut Up About the Birth Certificate". Hank Rand makes a very credible case for continuing the quest to have Barack Obama stop stonewalling and produce the easily located piece of paper that will stop all the legal challenges in their tracks. There is NO legitimate reason not to produce a birth certificate if it exists.
If I am to understand David Horowitz correctly, he asserts we should void the Constitution because 64 million voters chose Barack Obama. I would hope that if the question were posed to all 64 million: "Would you void the Constitution of the United States to elect a President", enough would choose to answer No to drop the number of voters for Obama substantially if they followed that through to its logical conclusion.
However, insert the name Barack Obama for President in that question and I would guess that number wouldn't drop quite so drastically. Although I seriously doubt most who punched the Obama name on the ballot knew about the question of his place of birth, and if they did, they "assumed" it was Republican hype.
Horowitz gives Alan Keyes the credit for pushing the birth certificate issue. He is incorrect. Keyes is just the latest to get on the bandwagon. His article, in my humble opinion, is NOT well thought out.
I'll take it one step further for Horowitz... why isn't it important? Why shouldn't we know the birthplace of our President? If it were another issue in the Constitution would Horowitz be so quick to chalk it up to sore loserism? If, instead of Barack Obama, we substituted the name Bill Ayers, or Chavez, or Arnold Schwarzenegger, would he write the same article? What if everyone had gone to the polls and written in the name George Bush giving him a third term? Yes, I know that could never happen given the way the media has trashed Bush, but what if? The voters would have spoken.
Either the Constitution is right, or it is wrong. Either we live by its statements, or we don't. This is a bigger issue than Barack Obama's birth certificate in my mind. This is an issue of lines, of where we're heading in this country, of what is really important.
Mr. Obama needs to produce his birth certificate if he can do so and stop fighting. Unfortunately, I think he's well aware that the chances of the Supreme Court handing down an unfavorable ruling, negating the vote, is highly unlikely. The question will remain. Once he's circumvented the Constitution, the rest of the path he's outlining should be easy going.
Really? (#129849)
http://hnn.us/comments/129849.html
by Hank Rand on December 6, 2008 at 9:44 PM"What difference does it make to the future of this country whether Obama was born on US soil? Advocates of this destructive campaign will argue that the Constitutional principle regarding the qualifications for President trumps all others. But how viable will our Constitution be if 5 Supreme Court justices should decide to void 64 million ballots?"A proponent of the reality that there is an outstanding question that exists relating to Barack Obama's natural born citizenship (not that I have an answer, but rather simply that no answer has been given), my personal opinion is that this has less to do with the merit of this particular Constitutional law...and more to do with the character and integrity of a man who may have gone to such great lengths to, knowingly, break it. And in that course of action, our entire country (not just those who didn't vote for him) and our most coveted process of Democracy (our vote), were defrauded.
http://hnn.us/comments/129849.html
David Horowitz: Obama Derangement Syndrome ... Conservatives Need to Shut Up About the Birth Certificate
http://hnn.us/roundup/comments/57846.htmlSource: Special to HNN (12-6-08)The continuing efforts of a fringe group of conservatives to deny Obama his victory and to lay the basis for the claim that he is not a legitimate president is embarrassing and destructive. The fact that these efforts are being led by Alan Keyes, an unhinged demagogue on the political fringe who lost a senate election to the then unknown Obama by 42 points should be a warning in itself.
http://hnn.us/roundup/comments/57846.html
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Sunday, December 7, 2008
Saturday, November 22, 2008
Obama Birth Certificate Issue / Update
Linda Shaw rocks! She is doing such a fantastic job of keeping us posted on this issue! Did you see where the Kenyan government is either going to or is debating putting up a shrine at what they say is Obama's BIRTH PLACE in Kenya? Those folks are just swollen with pride that one of their natural born citizens has grown up to be President of the United States... I'll go back and find the story on that one for you, post it later.
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You already have been sent info on contacting Congress. Here is a letter you can use. It takes into account info from the Berg (1st) and Keys (the latest) lawsuit.
This can happen but it is a fight to the finish. I know some do not believe in doing it but if Keyes is successful, which I think he has the better shot than any of them, then things will go from there. If you have not read Keyes lawsuit yet, you are missing out as he covers all that others did not and actually gives cases in the past that the SOS did take someone off the ballot after verification proving it is their job.
I would appreciate you passing it on to others in case they would like to participate.
- Linda
Date
The Honorable (full name)(Room #) (Name)
Senate Office Building
United States Senate
Washington, DC 20510
Dear (Senator) (Representative)
Our Founding Fathers placed in the Constitution restrictions on who could be the Vice President and Commander-in-Chief. There is a potential danger and risk that could be brought about by a national leader with possible divided loyalties and personal entanglements in foreign lands. Therefore, it was deemed wise to restrict those posts to natural-born individuals without dual citizenships. The 20th amendment identifies the time prior to inauguration for objections to be made to the qualifications of Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates. In this missive, a clear unimpeachable argument is made that Barack Obama has yet to provide support for the proposition that he meets that Constitutional bar.
Despite much public demand, Mr. Obama has not provided access to a vault Birth Certificate proving his actual place of birth. Moreover, the “short form” evidence released by the Obama campaign purporting to be a “Certification of Live Birth” on its face appears to be of questionable authenticity. The question of the authenticity is really moot as the real problem is it does not address any of the detail required to answer the question of actual place of birth.
The press release issued on October 31, 2008, by the Hawaii Department of Health regarding Obama's original birth certificate fails to resolve any of the questions raised in litigation since Hawaii has two types of original birth certificates. Therefore, the only way to verify the exact location of birth is to review a certified copy or¿¿ the original vault Certificate of Live Birth and compare the name of the hospital and the name and the signature of the doctor against the birthing records on file at the hospital noted on the Certificate of the Live Birth.
An often-asked question: Why Is his birth location important since his mother was a U.S. citizen?
The residency requirements for the US citizen parent are different than today, Section 301(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), as amended, would be in effect at the time of Mr. Obama’s birth in 1961. Based on this law, if Barack Obama was born outside the US or its Outlying Possessions, on August 4, 1961, then Ms. Dunham could not transmit her citizenship to her son because she failed to have accumulated the necessary physical presence requirements that the LAW demanded.
It is that simple. If he was born in Kenya, then he is not, nor can he ever be eligible to hold the office of President of the United States of America, inasmuch as he does not, nor can he ever, fulfill the requirements of Article II, Clause V, of the Constitution of the United States. Now, the question remains to be answered if he was born in Kenya or not.
If he was born in Hawaii, there are other obstacles to Senator Obama’s eligibility. Mr. Obama, in and about 1967, moved to Indonesia. took the last name of his stepfather, Soetoro, and was registered at school by the name Barry Soetoro showing citizenship as Indonesian. This creates complications with dual-citizenship. During that time, Indonesia did not recognize dual-citizenship and the U.S. only recognized when the other country did. It was also prohibited by the Hague Convention of 1930, as interfering with the internal affairs of another sovereign Country. This brings into question whether or not Mr. Obama went to the then current immigration procedures to regain the U.S. citizenship. Since Mr. Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981, when there was a ban for U.S. citizens to travel to Pakistan, it leads us to believe that he did not go through the process to regain his U.S. citizenship. Even if he had done so, he would be considered a naturalized citizen and not a “natural born” citizen.
It is your duty to uphold the constitution. Therefore, we the citizens of the United States ask that you initiate a congressional investigation and demand documentary proof that Senator Obama is a “natural born” citizen of the United States of America. This proof could include items such as his original birth certificate, showing the name of the hospital and the name and the signature of the doctor, all of his passports with immigration stamps, and verification from the governments where the candidate has resided, verifying that he did not, and does not, hold citizenship of these countries, or any other documents that certify an individual’s citizenship and/or qualification for office.
Although there have been questions for months about Mr.Obama’s eligibility, the first lawsuit was filed on August 21, 2008. What is troubling and frustrating is that the questions could have easily been answered by Mr. Obama. However, he has refused to provide his vault birth certificate. Why would he not want to provide it?
Senator Obama could be compromised if he is not a natural born citizen, which means our country is compromised. The secret briefings he is now receiving should stop immediately. This citizenship issue could resurface during an Obama presidency. If he has ever presented himself as a US citizen or with dual citizenship, during international travel and/or on official applications for any institution such as a university, other people will know (or find out) about it. He might be vulnerable to domestic or foreign blackmail, or pressed for favors, which are not in the best interests of the average American.
We ask you again, as concerned citizens and patriots, to launch an investigation or to file a challenge against the electors who will vote on December 15th. Failure to grant this request to verify the constitutionally required qualifications of Senator Obama not only allows, but promotes, an overwhelming degree of disrespect for our Constitution and for our electoral process, would allow a potentially corrupted, fraudulent, nomination and election process to continue.
For Constitutional government,
(your signature)
(your name)
A Friend of the Court and a citizen of the United States of America
(your address)
(your phone number)
(your email address)
For further information contact:
Philip J. Berg, Esquire555 Andorra Glen Court, Suite 12Lafayette Hill, PA 19444-2531Cell (610) 662-3005(610) 825-3134(800) 993-PHIL [7445]Fax (610) 834-7659philjberg@obamacrimes.com
Reference for your review:
PA Philip J. Berg lawsuit: all documents
http://www.obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/finder/search?q=court+documents+attached
CA Ambassador Dr. Alan Keyes; Dr. Wiley S. Drake, Sr.; Markham Robinson lawsuit http://americamustknow.com/Documents/Final%20writ%20Keyes%20v%20Bowen.pdf
Current Washington Times Ad running regarding Obama’s citizenship
http://www.obamacrimes.com/attachments/065_Obama%20Crimes%20Ad%20-%20Wash%20Times%2020081117.pdf
Obama's Birth Certificate Verified By State
http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html?rss=hon&psp=news
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You already have been sent info on contacting Congress. Here is a letter you can use. It takes into account info from the Berg (1st) and Keys (the latest) lawsuit.
This can happen but it is a fight to the finish. I know some do not believe in doing it but if Keyes is successful, which I think he has the better shot than any of them, then things will go from there. If you have not read Keyes lawsuit yet, you are missing out as he covers all that others did not and actually gives cases in the past that the SOS did take someone off the ballot after verification proving it is their job.
I would appreciate you passing it on to others in case they would like to participate.
- Linda
Date
The Honorable (full name)(Room #) (Name)
Senate Office Building
United States Senate
Washington, DC 20510
Dear (Senator) (Representative)
Our Founding Fathers placed in the Constitution restrictions on who could be the Vice President and Commander-in-Chief. There is a potential danger and risk that could be brought about by a national leader with possible divided loyalties and personal entanglements in foreign lands. Therefore, it was deemed wise to restrict those posts to natural-born individuals without dual citizenships. The 20th amendment identifies the time prior to inauguration for objections to be made to the qualifications of Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates. In this missive, a clear unimpeachable argument is made that Barack Obama has yet to provide support for the proposition that he meets that Constitutional bar.
Despite much public demand, Mr. Obama has not provided access to a vault Birth Certificate proving his actual place of birth. Moreover, the “short form” evidence released by the Obama campaign purporting to be a “Certification of Live Birth” on its face appears to be of questionable authenticity. The question of the authenticity is really moot as the real problem is it does not address any of the detail required to answer the question of actual place of birth.
The press release issued on October 31, 2008, by the Hawaii Department of Health regarding Obama's original birth certificate fails to resolve any of the questions raised in litigation since Hawaii has two types of original birth certificates. Therefore, the only way to verify the exact location of birth is to review a certified copy or¿¿ the original vault Certificate of Live Birth and compare the name of the hospital and the name and the signature of the doctor against the birthing records on file at the hospital noted on the Certificate of the Live Birth.
An often-asked question: Why Is his birth location important since his mother was a U.S. citizen?
The residency requirements for the US citizen parent are different than today, Section 301(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), as amended, would be in effect at the time of Mr. Obama’s birth in 1961. Based on this law, if Barack Obama was born outside the US or its Outlying Possessions, on August 4, 1961, then Ms. Dunham could not transmit her citizenship to her son because she failed to have accumulated the necessary physical presence requirements that the LAW demanded.
It is that simple. If he was born in Kenya, then he is not, nor can he ever be eligible to hold the office of President of the United States of America, inasmuch as he does not, nor can he ever, fulfill the requirements of Article II, Clause V, of the Constitution of the United States. Now, the question remains to be answered if he was born in Kenya or not.
If he was born in Hawaii, there are other obstacles to Senator Obama’s eligibility. Mr. Obama, in and about 1967, moved to Indonesia. took the last name of his stepfather, Soetoro, and was registered at school by the name Barry Soetoro showing citizenship as Indonesian. This creates complications with dual-citizenship. During that time, Indonesia did not recognize dual-citizenship and the U.S. only recognized when the other country did. It was also prohibited by the Hague Convention of 1930, as interfering with the internal affairs of another sovereign Country. This brings into question whether or not Mr. Obama went to the then current immigration procedures to regain the U.S. citizenship. Since Mr. Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981, when there was a ban for U.S. citizens to travel to Pakistan, it leads us to believe that he did not go through the process to regain his U.S. citizenship. Even if he had done so, he would be considered a naturalized citizen and not a “natural born” citizen.
It is your duty to uphold the constitution. Therefore, we the citizens of the United States ask that you initiate a congressional investigation and demand documentary proof that Senator Obama is a “natural born” citizen of the United States of America. This proof could include items such as his original birth certificate, showing the name of the hospital and the name and the signature of the doctor, all of his passports with immigration stamps, and verification from the governments where the candidate has resided, verifying that he did not, and does not, hold citizenship of these countries, or any other documents that certify an individual’s citizenship and/or qualification for office.
Although there have been questions for months about Mr.Obama’s eligibility, the first lawsuit was filed on August 21, 2008. What is troubling and frustrating is that the questions could have easily been answered by Mr. Obama. However, he has refused to provide his vault birth certificate. Why would he not want to provide it?
Senator Obama could be compromised if he is not a natural born citizen, which means our country is compromised. The secret briefings he is now receiving should stop immediately. This citizenship issue could resurface during an Obama presidency. If he has ever presented himself as a US citizen or with dual citizenship, during international travel and/or on official applications for any institution such as a university, other people will know (or find out) about it. He might be vulnerable to domestic or foreign blackmail, or pressed for favors, which are not in the best interests of the average American.
We ask you again, as concerned citizens and patriots, to launch an investigation or to file a challenge against the electors who will vote on December 15th. Failure to grant this request to verify the constitutionally required qualifications of Senator Obama not only allows, but promotes, an overwhelming degree of disrespect for our Constitution and for our electoral process, would allow a potentially corrupted, fraudulent, nomination and election process to continue.
For Constitutional government,
(your signature)
(your name)
A Friend of the Court and a citizen of the United States of America
(your address)
(your phone number)
(your email address)
For further information contact:
Philip J. Berg, Esquire555 Andorra Glen Court, Suite 12Lafayette Hill, PA 19444-2531Cell (610) 662-3005(610) 825-3134(800) 993-PHIL [7445]Fax (610) 834-7659philjberg@obamacrimes.com
Reference for your review:
PA Philip J. Berg lawsuit: all documents
http://www.obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/finder/search?q=court+documents+attached
CA Ambassador Dr. Alan Keyes; Dr. Wiley S. Drake, Sr.; Markham Robinson lawsuit http://americamustknow.com/Documents/Final%20writ%20Keyes%20v%20Bowen.pdf
Current Washington Times Ad running regarding Obama’s citizenship
http://www.obamacrimes.com/attachments/065_Obama%20Crimes%20Ad%20-%20Wash%20Times%2020081117.pdf
Obama's Birth Certificate Verified By State
http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html?rss=hon&psp=news
Monday, November 10, 2008
Egobama's Birth Certificate Still an Issue
Hi all, I wanted to pass this along for you to check out (I'm going to use "egobama" from now on!):
A message from Dawn (aka Donya) to all members of Rush Limbaugh Fans for Sarah Palin on Team Sarah!
Patriots, Forgive me if I’m repeating something you are already aware of, but I want to canvas our site with this letter.
Is everyone aware of what’s STILL in the balance regarding BHO’s birth certificate? I just heard an interview on the radio late last night with the man who is heading-up this suit and claim (that Obama is NOT a natural-born U.S. citizen).
It has NOT been thrown out of court nor resolved yet. There was merely a technical reason (forgive me for not knowing the legal term) why the judge who reviewed it couldn’t weigh in on it.
So now it is moving on to some other level in the courts, and won’t even be reviewed until January 1st (days away from inauguration!).
In the meantime, Obama is getting briefed daily on our nation’s most TOP SECRET issues by our current president and his transition team! Anyway, if this is true, it will be the BIGGEST HOAX in the history of our country (possibly the world), and it is swiftly approaching.
This is a blatant disregard for our Constitutional law!
Forget Bill Ayers, forget Jeremiah Wright, forget “spreading the wealth around”... how about having a U.S. president breaking the first rule of Constitutional law?! And NO ONE’S COVERING THIS (big surprise).
We’re not asking to see his SS number, his health records, or tax records... we’re asking for the same document that ALL of us have to present in order to function as upstanding citizens.
I’m asking everyone to PLEASE go to www.obamacrimes.com, read the info, and PLEASE consider donating to fighting this most important law suit. If everyone on this site donated just $10, we would raise $550,000 towards the legal battle, and put it to rest. Remember, Obama is well entrenched and surrounded by all of his dirty, Chicago, legal team, thugs. Pass this on within this network AND via emails ASAP.
God bless the U.S.A.
Dawn
(aka Donya)
A message from Dawn (aka Donya) to all members of Rush Limbaugh Fans for Sarah Palin on Team Sarah!
Patriots, Forgive me if I’m repeating something you are already aware of, but I want to canvas our site with this letter.
Is everyone aware of what’s STILL in the balance regarding BHO’s birth certificate? I just heard an interview on the radio late last night with the man who is heading-up this suit and claim (that Obama is NOT a natural-born U.S. citizen).
It has NOT been thrown out of court nor resolved yet. There was merely a technical reason (forgive me for not knowing the legal term) why the judge who reviewed it couldn’t weigh in on it.
So now it is moving on to some other level in the courts, and won’t even be reviewed until January 1st (days away from inauguration!).
In the meantime, Obama is getting briefed daily on our nation’s most TOP SECRET issues by our current president and his transition team! Anyway, if this is true, it will be the BIGGEST HOAX in the history of our country (possibly the world), and it is swiftly approaching.
This is a blatant disregard for our Constitutional law!
Forget Bill Ayers, forget Jeremiah Wright, forget “spreading the wealth around”... how about having a U.S. president breaking the first rule of Constitutional law?! And NO ONE’S COVERING THIS (big surprise).
We’re not asking to see his SS number, his health records, or tax records... we’re asking for the same document that ALL of us have to present in order to function as upstanding citizens.
I’m asking everyone to PLEASE go to www.obamacrimes.com, read the info, and PLEASE consider donating to fighting this most important law suit. If everyone on this site donated just $10, we would raise $550,000 towards the legal battle, and put it to rest. Remember, Obama is well entrenched and surrounded by all of his dirty, Chicago, legal team, thugs. Pass this on within this network AND via emails ASAP.
God bless the U.S.A.
Dawn
(aka Donya)
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