“First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.” – Mahatma Gandhi

Showing posts with label progressives. Show all posts
Showing posts with label progressives. Show all posts

Saturday, January 24, 2009

The politics of inclusion and compromise

The following comment was left on one of my earlier blogs. The anonymous contributor wrote this regarding an ad I posted that a group ran on Inauguration day (I'd have to go back and look to see which group and what was in it as I've posted a lot of info on my blogs this past week!).
Wow! In content and tone this ad is SO reminiscent of the negative campaign ads that ran for months before Obama was elected. (Do you think that there's a correlation between the two?) Come on! Inclusion is the name of the game. United we stand. And united we'd better stand...because believe it our not, there is a world of challenges inside and issues outside of the US and Alaska.... (The economy is a global one, remember?) At least give him credit for picking people who will not continue to torture our enemies as the last administration did. That's returning to the Constitution.

I found the comment funny. Not ha ha funny, but scratch your head funny.

For the past eight years (at least) conservatives have been bombarded with attacks, slurs, and slander from the left. We've endured the media twisting of information, misinformation in the media, and the list goes on. If George W. Bush said it, then the press and liberals attacked. Viciously.

Pleas to Democrats to unite, to work together, went unheeded. Attempts to compromise were scoffed at by those on the other side of the aisle. A war was waged in the media and on the Internet against conservative values and conservatives in general. It's still being waged.

Now that Obama, Pelosi, Reid and friends are in power and working to cram their agendas down the throats of the country, all of a sudden Republicans are supposed to roll over, toss our principles into the trash can and swallow our values? Maybe we should just act like the liberals have been acting for oh so many years.

Uniting would mean welcoming abortion.
Uniting would mean believing a pork package is going to save our economy.
Uniting would mean sending our tax dollars to fund abortions around the world.
Uniting would mean trying to smother those who have sworn to destroy us with peace, love and hugs.
Uniting would mean the un-"Fairness Doctrine" which is the beginning of the end of free speech.
Uniting would mean trashing our work ethics and voting rights to satisfy Union bosses.

Somehow I don't see conservatives giving up on the Constitution, giving up on free speech, the right to life, voting rights, protecting our country and self responsibility.

Where's the middle ground? Only kill some babies in the womb? Only give up some of our voting rights? Stop a few from exercising their right to free speech? Just hug the terrorists who's name begins with an H?

Why should conservatives handle things any differently than the liberals, progressives, Democrats or whatever label is pc at the moment? I don't expect to see conservatives stooping to the tactics used by many liberals. However, we will fight for our country and we won't compromise our principles.

I don't know how to solve the problems of this country or the world. I don't see a middle ground in many of the issues. It does seem to be a battle that will continue for many years to come. It's possible that having lost this past election that we will find we've lost the country. I hope not. I'm not giving up and I intend to cling to my guns and Bible (although I don't actually own a gun ;-) as long as I possibly can.

Oh, one more short comment to the anonymous comment poster --- give it up on the torture stuff. I won't even bore my intelligent readers with delving into that talking point.

Ah, and I can't resist another little shot --- if the economy is such an important issue (and I believe it is), how come Mr. Obama just decided to send millions of dollars out of the country to fund abortion clinics? Take a look at the "stimulus" package he's pushing. It's not a stimulus package, it's a pork package with a lot of money stuck in there for social engineering and other things that will have zippo affect on the economy.

And, finally, to end my long post... I'm not about to start a comment war or blogging war with progressives, liberals, Democrats, etc. so don't expect me to do this again! I'd been thinking about writing on the topic and that post comment just fell into my lap at the right time so I decided to use it.

Tuesday, January 13, 2009

Can facts change minds?

I have long wondered whether facts could change the mind of a die-hard liberal, or conservative for that matter. I read an article in the CS Monitor earlier today by Jonathan Zimmerman which brought the question to mind again.

He referenced a study by Drew Westen from Emory University (but didn't provide a link). I did a search and found a couple of studies by Westen on the subject (releases included below). I also found that Westen had released a book in 2007, “The Political Brain: The Role of Emotion in Deciding the Fate of the Nation”.

In making the search I ended up on a much broader road than I'd intended. It led me to articles on why Obama attracted the minds of the masses. It took me on side paths on how the media influences the public.

It took me all over the place, but I ultimately found an answer of sorts. It was the answer I expected.

The answer is usually no, emotions overrule factual evidence by a huge margin.


As conservatives, we typically work with facts and try to convince others with rational arguments. We decry the fact that we don't seem to be able to change the minds of our left-learning friends with logic.

Facts definitely don't seem to sway the opinion of Bush-haters and Palin-haters!

One thing that I did find comforting in reading the study and the Zimmerman article, is that some minds can be changed. If I read my numbers correctly, about 15% read, study and make judgements based on facts (on the left and right!). Zimmerman says he occasionally changes a mind here and there. I've heard callers on Sean Hannity and other talk shows say they tuned in and ultimately changed their minds.

As I read articles and studies, I realized that the question asked by Westen and Zimmerman was secondary to a much bigger question we as conservatives need to answer. How do we even get the facts to liberals to change the small percentage of minds that could possibly be changed?

How many of your liberal friends would ever listen to Rush Limbaugh? watch Fox News? subscribe to a conservative magazine?

If they simply listen to the mainstream media, how are they going to hear the facts that might change their minds? If all they read is the Daily Kos or Huffington Post, how can we reach them?

For every blog a conservative turns out there's at least one being churned out by a left-leaning blogger.

Conservatives don't own many, if any, large mainstream media outlets. Even Fox News, which is routinely lambasted by the left, has a regular station with loads of liberal shows.

We have very few ways to really reach out and touch the minds of "progressives".

They think we're wrong, we think they're wrong.

I don't know the answer. How do you change someone's mind if you can't use facts? Even if facts DID work, we still have to address the question of how to get them in front of large groups of the population, Independents, Conservatives and Dems.

We can appeal on an emotional level, assuming we can infiltrate the media! But what's sexy about doing what's right? About being responsible?

How do you get conservatives to "stoop" to using emotions? It just isn't in the overall makeup of most on the right to try and package principles in a pretty package. Right is right and wrong is wrong.

Yes, I know you thought I'd come up with something profound by the time you wandered through this article! Hate to disappoint.

If anything, I suppose my "profound" suggestion would be that we keep on plugging along. We keep writing, we keep putting out the fact and we find ways to get a whole lot better at getting our side into the media.

We are making inroads via the Internet. More and more websites and blogs are popping up that promote conservative views. Twitter is becoming "the" conservative place to be thanks in large part to www.TopConservativesOnTwitter.com. More and more conservative bloggers are partnering. Emails are flying and conservative social networks are flourishing.

My final suggestion? Go forth and conquer the media before it's too late.

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Do opinion pieces ever change your opinion?
Given the fixity of our partisan beliefs, it's a rare occurrence. Yet history shows that reason and rhetoric can win converts.
by Jonathan Zimmerman
Right on, Professor Zimmerman! Keep up the great work!
Wrong again, Professor Zimmerman! Get a real job!
Welcome to the wacky and wonderful world of op-ed writing. For the past decade, I've published two opinion pieces a month in newspapers around the country. Thanks to the magic of the Internet, meanwhile, I've received thousands of e-mail responses from my readers. And here's what I've learned: Opinion pieces rarely change opinions.

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2005 - Emotions, Not Facts, Form Basis of Political Opinion

An Emory University study has found that when it comes to forming opinions and making judgments on hot political issues, most people don't let facts get in the way of their decision-making. The research, led by Emory psychology professor Drew Westen, tested whether people make decisions based on emotional bias or fact, and emotions won by a landslide.

"In high-stakes, emotionally charged political situations, people respond to ambiguity not by consulting the data but by consulting their emotional preferences, prejudices and predilections," Westen says. "The data suggests that perhaps the only way for any of us to make reasoned judgments about political matters is to identify and admit our own biases, maintain constant vigilance to detect and counteract them, and be particularly vigilant and circumspect when we find that ''voting our conscience' just happens to coincide with voting along party lines."

The research involved five studies that covered American political crises during the past six years. Westen looked at how people judged the issues based on both the relevant facts (cognitive constraints) and also how the subjects felt about the issues and the people involved, such as Presidents Clinton and Bush (emotional constraints).

In all five, cognitive and emotional constraints contributed in predicted ways to people's judgments. However, competing emotional pulls (such as toward the two parties, human rights and the military) accounted for much of the variance in seemingly "cold" cognitive judgments. Examples include whether or not Clinton should have been impeached, or whether the evidence produced by a soldier charged with abuses at Abu Ghraib prison crossed the threshold for allowing his lawyers to interrogate senior civilian officials.

Although about 15 percent of respondents were found to have primarily considered evidence and fact when forming their opinions, researchers could correctly predict 80 percent of the time how a person would view an issue based on their opinions of the Bush administration, the Republican or Democratic parties, the military and human-rights groups.

"If a person is paying attention enough to think about something, he or she usually has some motivational or emotional interest in it. In this sense, every act of cognition is simultaneously an act of emotion regulation. The more ambiguous the data, and the more emotionally significant the outcome, the more one can expect emotion regulation to trump information processing," Westen says.

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2004 Political Forecasting Looks at Minds of Voters
Instead of relying on factors such as history, polling and approval ratings to forecast voter behavior, Emory psychologist Drew Westen developed a political forecasting model that looks at the role of emotions in how people make decisions about political issues and candidates.
http://www.emory.edu/news/Releases/westen1080334326.html

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2006 - Emory study lights up the political brain
When it comes to forming opinions and making judgments on hot political issues, partisans of both parties don't let facts get in the way of their decision-making, according to a new Emory University study. The research sheds light on why staunch Democrats and Republicans can hear the same information, but walk away with opposite conclusions.
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-01/euhs-esl012406.php

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Drew Westen Opinion piece in CNN:
Commentary: Obama thinks like a professor, inspires like a preacher
A single factor never produces a complex event like the historic election of Barack Obama. But when the final post-mortem on the election of 2008 is someday written, it will no doubt include at least three.
First, John McCain started with three strikes against him. Those strikes happen to be the three strongest predictors that enter into the equations used by political scientists to predict who will win an election: an unpopular incumbent president (in this case, the most unpopular in the history of polling), an economic downturn (in this case an understatement), and an unpopular war.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/06/westen.winning/index.html
(Westen wrote a piece for the Huffington Post also, I decided not to give them any more publicity ;-)

Sunday, January 11, 2009

Eye-opening Video on "Progressives" Agenda!

Hat tip to @HighPlainsBlogger (HPB)!

In sharing this video on Twitter, HPB said to grab a stiff drink. Was he ever right on that one! This video is from back in March of last year and their campaign efforts have ended, but the thought process behind this initiative is flat out mind boggling.

I don't know that I've ever seen the behind-the-scenes maneuvering laid out so clearly and openly. After watching this, I went wandering around the Internet looking at "progressive" sites, something I've avoided doing. Yes, I get bits and pieces, but I'm not one to read the Daily Kos or the Huffington Post. I get enough of the liberal agenda from the mainstream media (and the nasty comments left on my blogs ;-)

In the video below the presenter is very professional and matter-of-fact. Not so with any other site or commentary I found.

Grab yourself your tonic of choice and listen to this carefully. It's worth watching twice.



If the video doesn't work, click here to view.

Saturday, January 10, 2009

Yep, they all received the 'Talking Points'

In my last blog (Boooorrrrriiinnngggg) I talked about the regurgitation of the same old, same old from the media in their attacks on Sarah Palin. I'm definitely not the first to write or talk about the talking points that everyone in the mainstream media and friends must receive. Many of us are intelligent enough to pick up on it when the media, the progressives, the libs, the left, whatever you want to call 'em, start spitting out the same thoughts over and over.

I flipped on the TV this morning as I was putting on my socks and shoes to walk on the treadmill and lo and behold, I heard the current lib mantra come from the mouth of yet another pundit!

I didn't catch the speaker's last name, her first name was Julie, and she was on Fox and Friends this AM talking about Sarah's latest interview. Julie's ending shot? Sarah needs to go away for two years and reinvent herself.

Gosh, isn't that what Robert Schlesinger, U.S. News, said in HIS blog? Gosh, isn't that what they're all saying on that side of the media aisle these days?

Memo to "progressives" --- Sarah isn't going away.

She burst onto the scene like a breath of fresh air (heard that one before? see I can repeat stuff, too ;-). Seriously, she is what most of us want our politicians to be... real. We want people who know how we live, who are in touch with our needs. We want people who stick to their principles. We want politicians with a backbone who will stand up for what is right.

Usually, by the time we hear someone's name in the media, or they make it to elected office on the state or national level, they're not the person we elected. They've learned to play the games, to compromise. They've learned the art of justifying their actions for the greater good or whatever blarney they feed themselves. They've learned how to placate just the right number of people to stay in office another term "because they haven't finished what they were elected to do for the people" or some such drivel.

Every time a liberal attacks Sarah, another large group joins in to defend her. A new website pops up, a new conservative activist is energized. Every bit of garbage that is thrown at her rebounds like a boomerang onto the faces of those doing the tossing.

They just can't help themselves, can they? I said in my last blog, if they really wanted her to go away they'd stop talking about her. Truth be told, they can't stop themselves from talking about her. Neither can we!

Friday, January 9, 2009

Booorrrinnnngggg....

If these media types are going to continue to go after Sarah Palin, they at least need to be original. "The Drone Report" blog should be going after this one! The so-called "progressives" get their talking points and then regurgitate. I have seen some of these same comments, maybe worded just a tiny, tiny bit, in the media so many times it's getting booorrrriiiiinnnngggg...

Same comments, different left-learning "news" media.

One good thing about the continued attacks - it shows that those who are attacking understand just how much of a draw Sarah has across the country! If she didn't have star power they'd ignore her. They're scared of her magnetism, intelligence and plain old goodness. She's real. She doesn't play games and they don't know how to deal with it (other than to continue to try and trash her).

If they truly wanted her to go away, they wouldn't waste any ink on her. Instead they continue the baseless attacks which just makes her a stronger candidate and has more of us looking at her. And liking her!

Read this drivel on U.S. News if you must :

Sarah Palin Needs to Go Away Before She Does Even More Harm to Herself
January 09, 2009 12:06 PM ET
By Robert Schlesinger, Thomas Jefferson Street blog
For her own good, Sarah Palin needs to go away.
To be clear: As a liberal and as a commentator, I love it every time Palin pops up again. She's great copy and great fun (not necessarily intentionally in either case). But if she really does want a political future beyond hero-of-the-GOP base, she needs to take a timeout.
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2009/01/09/sarah-palin-needs-to-go-away-before-she-does-even-more-harm-to-herself.html#Comments